Today, we are releasing the full interview of one of our favorite episodes: Dan’s 2021 conversation with engineers-turned-authors, Hyrum Wright and Titus Winters.

As two of the most senior staff engineers at Google, both guests brought a deep understanding of software engineering to the show: Hyrum is semi-famous as the “Hyrum” of Hyrum’s Law, while Titus is responsible for managing 250 million lines of code.